I am fortunate to spend a significant portion of the year in the tropics surveying the forests of Guatemala for amphibians and reptiles. This is a dream come to true for me. While there is a huge need for conservation work in tropical regions, it can be easy to forget the need for it on home soil in the UK too.

Habitat loss and degradation affect British amphibians and reptiles as much as they do tropical ones. So after a recent expedition to Laguna del Tigre National Park, I found myself drinking mango smoothies in a restaurant on the island of Flores being interviewed by Adela about my long involvement in British amphibian and reptile conservation and the Amphibian and Reptile Groups of the UK (ARG UK).


Interview with Rowland Griffin, Flores, Guatelama 24 August 2016

Q: I wanted to talk a little bit about our involvement with ARG UK. Are you a member?

R: Yes I am a member. Well, I am currently a member of RAGS which is the Reptile and Amphibian Group of Somerset.

Q: Oh, so you join a local group do you?

R: Yes. ARG UK is an umbrella organisation that coordinates all of the local groups.

Q: How long ago did you join?

R: I joined RAGS in 2012 but I have been a member of an ARG since 2006 when I joined the Sussex Amphibian and Reptile Group and became their Secretary. So I have been involved with the ARGs and ARG UK for quite some time. 10 years now.

Q: Your involvement included adder research that you were doing at a ‘secret location’ on the Kent-Sussex border. Can you speak a little about that?

Barry Kemp, adder handling 2007

Adder handling with Barry Kemp, 2007

SxARG, Barry Kemp. Indigo Expeditions

Adder research with Sussex ARG and Barry Kemp, 2007

R: Yes, I was looking at the effectiveness of different materials for artificial refugia. It was being done in conjunction with Sussex ARG as well who had an agreement with the owners of that piece of land to help with management for reptiles and amphibians because it was such a key site.

Q: So your work was contributing to a conservation management plan for a site where you were working with Barry Kemp of Sussex ARG.

R: Yes. Using pattern recognition we identifeid 23 adders that lived on that site. And I think it was over 40 grass snakes.

Q: Were you keen to use non-invasive techniques in your surveying methods?

R: Yes, we were using photographs of the head patterns. So snakes were captured, photographed, and released immediately.

Q: So none of the snakes left the site?

R: Nothing left the site. Everything was done there and then with an immediate release. So minimal disturbance.

Q: In terms of herp diversity, were there other species?

R: The site had all of the widespread reptiles and amphibians on it. So thats 4 reptiles, 3 species of newts, and common toad and common frog. I think it was 2.3 ha. It was a really small site, but it was not only diverse in having all of those species, but they were all there in really good numbers. Except for common lizard. Which I only found one of, but that was the first record of common lizard on the site.

Q: That was a pivotal study for you to start working with British herps and with Sussex ARG and contributing to conservation management.

R: Yes, it was the first field project that I did. Other than the small project we did in Peru in 2006 looking at survey techniques in rainforest.

Q: Oh yes, the work in the Tambopata National Reserve. We’ll come back to that later. So your adder research, was this during the third year of your degree?

R: It was for my third year dissertation, supervised by Trevor Beebee who is also a member of Somerset buy levofloxacin ARG.

Q: I see, while you were doing your degree in ecology and conservation, you joined your local reptile and amphibian group and got as involved as you could to get experience. Would you recommend that to other people who wanted to get into herps who are still perhaps studying?

R: Yes I would recommend it to anyone who wants to get more involved in field herpetology in the UK to join their local ARG.

Q: At the moment you are a member of the Somerset ARG. Can you give some examples of the kind of work people can get involved in if they wanted to volunteer?

R: Yes, in the Somerset ARG there are a number of really cool projects that are being run at the moment. One is the The Mendip Ponds Project that is restoring great crested newt ponds on the Mendips to expand their range and improve their population staus on the Mendip Hills. That is all done through volunteers going out and either building new ponds or finding old ponds and improving them and restoring them back to ideal conditions. The other project that runs annually is the Adder Survey which runs in various places in Somerset depending on what is felt to be needed that year, and people get the opportunity to be trained to survey for adders and then go out to sites that they are given to see how many adders are on those sites.

Q: You mentioned a project in Peru. Did that further inspire you to work with herps?

R: Absolutely, that moment of finding the Loro machaco left me speechless. My overriding memory is not being able to form a sentence properly, for quite some time. It was so overwhelming. And it was that experience that really spurred me on to get as involved as I could not only in tropical herpetology but also in British herpetology. So when the opportunity came to get more involved with SARG I jumped at it. I was taking every opportunity I could to gain as much experience and be as involved as possible in field herpetology.

Indigo Expeditions, loro machaco, bothriopsis bilineatus

Surveying in Peru and finding Bothriopsis bilineatus ‘loro machaco’ in 2006

Bothriopsis bilineatus, Peru, Indigo Expeditions

Bothriopsis bilineatus ‘loro machaco’ , 2006 Peru

Q: What was next for your tropical travels?

Gerry Martin, Romulus Whitaker, Indigo Expeditions

Gerry Martin & Romulus Whitaker measuring naja kaouthia, monocled cobra. Arunachal Pradesh, India. 2011

R: The next place I was inspired to visit was India, and I joined a King Cobra trip, which left the day after I got my results for my degree. I met Gerry Martin and became involved in the Gerry Martin Project for a while, spending several months there in 2011.

Q: I remember your next trip was in 2012 to Costa Rica with Todd Lewis at Caña Palma Biological Station.

R: Costa Rica rekindled my passion for Latin America and late that year I came to Guatemala and that was when my love affair with Guatemala started.

Q: Now as Indigo Expeditions, how do you get the drive and the motivation and the passion to do this work? Is it by leading by example? If you can do it, anyone can do it?

R: Its about making a connection between UK herpetology and tropical ecology, tropical herpetology.

Q: Now we have expeditions established and our own conservation projects running out in Guatemala, we are bringing back some of the magic from Guatemala to share with people and offer them the opportunity to come out and really experience for themselves what its like because its such an individual experience for everybody.

R: We are really excited to have people join our mission who already are excited about herpetology so we dont have to teach people about reptiles and amphibians. They already love them. They are already in that camp. So its like come on, just come and further your exploration, further your passion.

Q: I guess the next step would be, come and join one of our expeditions. You are living proof that its possible to do what you want.

R: Yes, and we are looking forward to collaborating with ARG UK with our “Herping for the Future” training programme.

Watch this space!

Rowland Griffin, Cofounder Indigo Expeditions



Indigo snake, Drymarchon corais, Indigo Expeditions

Rowland Griffin handling the Indigo snake, Drymarchon corais

ARG UK – Amphibian and Reptile Groups of the UK
– Sussex Amphibian and Reptile Group
RAGS – The Reptile and Amphibian Group of Somerset
The Mendip Ponds Project
NARRS – Adder Survey
Herp Workers Meeting
Gerry Martin Project


Adela Mei – Interviewer & Cofounder of Indigo Expeditions
Barry Kemp – SxARG
Prof. Trevor Beebee – University of Sussex
Gerry Martin – Gerry Martin Project
Romulus Whitaker – Madras Crocodile Bank
Dr Todd Lewis – Ecological Consultant
Dr Angie Julian – National Coordinator ARG UK


FEATURED IMAGE: Angie Julian (ARG UK) with Rowland Griffin, Laguna del Tigre National Park, Guatemala July 2016



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